This is the second part of our fun discussion with Dr. Patrick Moore and we discussed his first 15 years in Greenpeace, and why he left. In his book “Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout – The Making of a Sensible Environmentalist” he covered global whaling, baby seal clubbing, and trying to save humanity from nuclear proliferation and annihilation.
Dr. Moore is planning on stopping by the ENB podcast soon to cover his new book, “Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom.”
For the First Episode Check it out HERE:
Time Stamp
00:00 – Intro
01:03 – What caused you to step back in your 15th year?
04:01 – Talks about the Campaign to ban Chlorine Worldwide / Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC)
06:34 – Talks about one of the topics on Fake Visual Catastrophes and threats of Doom from the Book of Dr. Moore
12:14 – Talks about The Universal Law of Scare Stories
15:40 – Things very seldom happen rapidly unless an asteroid strikes the earth
19:15 – Talks about Ending the unrestricted Hunting of Polar Bear
23:57 – What do you got? What’s coming around the corner next for you until I can get you on the show again?
25:24 – Outro
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Stuart Turley [00:00:06] Hey, Welcome to the Energy News Beat Podcast this is part two of the Dr. Patrick Moore interview. He’s the founder of one of the co-founders of Greenpeace. It is a phenomenal interview. He is a really great guy and I learn an awful lot about that era and what he’s got going on and what we can see. So buckle up, hang on, and don’t forget to Subscribe and Like thank you very much.
Stuart Turley [00:00:36] But now when you sit back and take a look at the year 15, they started going this way. And I just looked at the Greenpeace website and there they’ve got voter fraud on there. Now it seems like they’ve branched out a little bit and in when you guys split in in the renewables side of things, let’s try to go steer a little bit around why Greenpeace took a little bit of a right or a left turn or something. What caused you to step back in your 15th year?
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:01:07] Well, just to sum it up quickly, we were hijacked by the political left at that time when the peace movement became, I don’t know, basically entirely leftist in siding with communist regimes and that sort of thing or that kind of of politics.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:01:23] And this there wasn’t that much that many scientists in Greenpeace to begin with, lots of professionals in various categories. But it ended up with me being one of six international directors, the only one with any formal science education. There was people with, you know, all kinds of political orientations and right left wing political orientations.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:01:47] And it was two things that caused me to have to leave. I was the I it ended up I was the only director of Greenpeace International, which six of us from six different of the big countries involved.
Stuart Turley [00:02:00] And you’re the only one with formal education.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:02:02] The only one with a formal science education, many of the others were political activists, socially activists. Now you could actually make a career out of environmental work so if you were good at something, it didn’t have to be ecology, it could be financial services so we had a much broader base of people than we did at the beginning.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:02:26] And but at a philosophical level, because we got taken over to a certain extent by the left wing side of politics. People started saying that humans were the enemies of the earth, the enemies of nature.
Stuart Turley [00:02:40] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:02:41] And the earth would be better off if there weren’t so many of us there. For some reason, the people who thought that didn’t volunteer to go first. I always wondered what the deal was there.
Stuart Turley [00:02:50] I think Schwab should be number one.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:02:53] Well, it’s as if there are a special class of people who are wise and know that they are, that these other people are the enemies of the earth, not their right. And so it was like that. And having started with a humanitarian orientation of not wanting to see that civilization destroyed by nuclear war, I just couldn’t buy that attitude towards people.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:03:15] Our people are generally good. Yes, there are people who burn down police stations and who go to war and kill people when they shouldn’t. But most people live a good life and honest life, and so it’s not fair to make it out as if we are the only bad species on the planet, like worse than cockroaches or whatever.
Stuart Turley [00:03:37] Or eat cockroaches. Yeah.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:03:39] And and then there’s that. It’s as if they wish to punish us into eternal hell. And then so that was that was the high level thing. Right at the very sharp end of the stick was this group of board of directors, all five of them, including our chairman David McTaggart, who was a Canadian too, decided we should have a campaign to ban chlorine worldwide, and that that would be a good fundraising tool,.
Stuart Turley [00:04:07] Right?
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:04:07] Because chlorine is deadly poisonous the Germans used it as a weapon in World War One, right? Elemental chlorine gas. But table salt is an essential nutrients, and that is called sodium chloride. Right. And that inquiry into drinking water was the biggest advance in the history of public health to prevent cholera and other immune systems. And 85% of our pharmaceuticals are made with chlorine chemistry and 25% of them have chlorine in them for curing various elements of diseases and conditions.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:04:38] So I said, we have to be somewhat more subtle about this, you guys, as they decided, no, we’re going to name chlorine, the devil’s element, as if that doesn’t bring a satanic element right into what should be a scientific discussion.
Stuart Turley [00:04:55] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:04:56] And we’re and we’re going to call Polyvinyl Chloride otherwise known as PVC or simply vinyl. Right. What are credit cards are made out of and almost half the other things we have in life are made out of.
Stuart Turley [00:05:08] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:05:08] That’s going to be the poison plastic and there’s nothing that could be less poisonous than PVC. There’s a reason why we wrap and package our food in plastic.
Stuart Turley [00:05:18] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:05:19] To keep it from being contaminated, not to poison it.
Stuart Turley [00:05:22] And PVC pipes when you were doing your pipe building and when you wrote the book. You’re like PVC. You see, it’s you put your how many people have PVC with water running through it.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:05:32] It’s the best material for delivering water and many other liquids, too.
Stuart Turley [00:05:39] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:05:40] They want to go and it is also the most versatile plastic because you can make it brittle or soft and you need oil cables, right? Well, actually, PVC is made not with oil, but with natural gas. Oh, okay. It’s made with natural gas and and salt, which is sodium chloride.
Stuart Turley [00:06:03] Oh, okay.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:06:04] Salt from the sea. So salt from the sea and natural gas are combined in a process in a big factory. Most of these are in Louisiana because that’s where all the big salt deposits are and that’s also where salt water is there to further for the chlorine sodium chloride.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:06:23] So that’s how Polyvinyl Chloride is made and it’s a fantastic material. Right. And you see this gets into the whole plastics discussion, which is unbelievable. And it is unbelievable that the great Pacific Garbage Patch, twice the size of Texas, is actually completely and utterly fake. There is no such thing.
Stuart Turley [00:06:45] You said excuse me, You said fake.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:06:47] Fake.
Stuart Turley [00:06:48] Wow tell me about it.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:06:50] It does not exist that’s why it’s fake and they say it’s twice the size of Texas and growing 16 times faster than they ever imagined, when, in fact, if you go on the Internet and you look for photographs of the great Pacific Garbage Patch. Right. You will find almost all of the ones that say that that’s what they are, just Photoshop. They’ve just painted a blob on the.
Stuart Turley [00:07:13] Nooo!.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:07:14] On a map of the earth. Yes.
Stuart Turley [00:07:16] Is that is that one of your topics and fake visual catastrophes and threats of doom?
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:07:21] Yes, it certainly is.
Stuart Turley [00:07:23] Okay.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:07:24] Thoroughly. There is a well operated German satellite that’s going around the earth all year taking photographs of the Earth. Right. Like, if you take a picture of the whole Pacific Ocean at a certain time of day, there’s going to be clouds somewhere. All right. 50% of the earth is usually under clouds in and out of normal time.
Stuart Turley [00:07:44] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:07:45] So but if you take enough photographs each day for a whole year.
Stuart Turley [00:07:50] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:07:50] We can make a composite that has no clouds in it because everywhere is not cloudy sometimes.
Stuart Turley [00:07:56] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:07:56] Right. So they have that. I have that in my book, that photograph from space and you can see the Hawaiian Islands clearly, even the smaller ones. But you cannot see no garbage patch twice the size of Texas and even the big isle where you could probably fit about a thousand of them into the state of Texas, never mind twice the state of Texas.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:08:15] So but the one the one photograph that you will find there.
Stuart Turley [00:08:19] Okay.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:08:20] Underneath it, part of the great Pacific Garbage Patch is a big sea of garbage it goes it’s big. You can obviously see it’s very extensive coming up, holding up some plastic thing.
Stuart Turley [00:08:32] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:08:32] And but I looked in the background there are mountains in the background, low, not that high, but you can see it right in the background. There is no mountains in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
Stuart Turley [00:08:43] No,.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:08:44] Not all right. So I did my research and I realized that it was actually and someone had or someone else had figured this out, but it hadn’t been publicized that it is the Japanese tsunami debris where 18,000 people died when 20 towns were wiped off the map into the ocean.
Stuart Turley [00:09:02] Yeah.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:09:03] Right? And it’s all the debris from now, the same thing happened in the tsunami at Indonesia.
Stuart Turley [00:09:10] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:09:10] There was a huge patch of garbage went out to sea from that because this thing comes in and it goes out. Right and when it goes out, it takes everything with it no other evidence that there is a Pacific garbage patch beside that. So when I give presentations, people come up to me and say, Oh, no, no, no, no, you’re wrong about that. The reason you can’t see it from outer space is because it’s only the clear plastic, right? As if the clear plastic killer conglomerates together and doesn’t allow any colored plastic to come.
Stuart Turley [00:09:40] Yeah, talk about racism. Plastic. But. But.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:09:44] But the real lie to that one is that clear plastic is actually more dense than water and sinks to the bottom some Plasctic is heavier than water, and the clear stuff is is one of them. So then they resort to it’s just below the surface right. As if every piece of plastic has a buoyancy compensation device on it. Because.
Stuart Turley [00:10:04] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:10:04] What do you mean? Stays just below the surface is a very fine line it sinks or explodes usually.
Stuart Turley [00:10:10] And in fact, I’ve already added this book, the hardcover, to my Amazon thing I’m having it shipped out tomorrow.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:10:18] And and in addition to that, someone said, finally, it’s microplastic. In other words, it’s invisible.
Stuart Turley [00:10:26] Microplastic.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:10:28] Yeah, that’s the keyword these days is microplastic. It’s in our blood. It’s it’s it’s. It’s everywhere. It’s in everything. It’s in the fish. It’s in the. It’s in the plants. It’s full of microplastic and oh, my goodness. That’s why the book is called Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom, because the fake invisible catastrophes are threats of doom.
Stuart Turley [00:10:49] I love the little guy holding the sign you got to love that.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:10:52] You will perish in flames you know where that’s from? No. Ghostbusters.
Stuart Turley [00:10:58] Oh, that’s right, it is. Yeah, that’s right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:11:01] It’s. It’s when the little guy in Murano, he runs to the horse and buggy in Central Park, and by this time, his eyes are glowing from having looked into the fridge and seen the ghost. Yes. Or whatever it was called the evil thing coming out of the sky.
Stuart Turley [00:11:19] Starts talking to the horse and.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:11:20] He starts talking to the horse and he says, Are you the gatekeeper to the horse?
Stuart Turley [00:11:25] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:11:25] And the horse, of course, says nothing. So he then jumps up and goes running off as he runs off, tripping over all kinds of things that are on the street for some reason, he’s trying his way through and he looks up at the driver and he says, You will perish in flames and runs off. So I watched that movie eight times as if it’s.
Stuart Turley [00:11:47] All right so we’re going to we’re going to sidetrack here What is one of the best lines in that movie? At the beginning of it, when I love it, you know, very few people catch it. Listen, can you smell that? I mean, that was one of the lines. And you.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:12:00] Can you Smell that? I don’t remember that.
Stuart Turley [00:12:02] It’s in the first part of the movie and Dan Aykroyd is standing there He goes, Listen, can you smell that?
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:12:09] Yeah. Well, anyways, my book has a very serious thing in it, The Universal Law of Scare Stories. And like in physics, there’s this idea that there will one day be a universal law of all the physics things gravity, light, right, Nuclear, everything will all be in one, just like, you know, sort of like C equals EMC squared on steroids. Right?
Stuart Turley [00:12:32] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:12:33] It would bring everything I don’t think that’s going to happen because things are different but never mind that I have developed the universal theory of scare stories, which is that they are all about things that are either invisible, serious radiation, whatever the bad thing is in GMOs, which for some reason doesn’t have a name.
Stuart Turley [00:12:52] Right
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:12:53] You’d think there would be a name for something that if we knew it was right.
Stuart Turley [00:12:57] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:12:57] We are right. We don’t leave things without names that they’re there and they’re different from the other things. Right? So there is no name for this. So they have made up a multibillion dollar campaign to destroy African agriculture from advancing and all kind of and to cause 2 million children to die every year from vitamin A deficiency. Another all campaign that I led in mid 2000s.
Stuart Turley [00:13:22] Wow.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:13:23] In Asia and Europe but that’s another story so it’s either so they’re either invisible things that nobody can observe is right So if you can you can make up any story you want about something that nobody can see. And the other thing is remote. Well, that’s why polar bears and coral reefs are the icons for climate change, because very few people can go to the North Pole and count the polar bears and very few people go snorkeling and scuba diving in this world.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:13:51] I tell people, if you haven’t, you’ve only seen half the world because my wife Eileen and I are avid snorkelers and divers and we’re just going for our third trip, two weeks on a boat in Indonesia, in limbo, which is which is the epicenter of coral biodiversity it’s also the warmest ocean in the world contrary to the liars, if the ocean warmed, the corals would spread further.
Stuart Turley [00:14:16] Right
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:14:17] Right. So they’re they’re blaming oral death on ocean warming, Right. Whereas in fact, the Caribbean, we know for a fact, which is the second warmest ocean in the world.
Stuart Turley [00:14:27] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:14:28] The Indonesian ocean is saved from freshwater cold water from the north by South Asia and from the south by Australia. So it’s in a place on the equator where cold water never comes their way. The Caribbean is similar in that South America and North America.
Stuart Turley [00:14:43] Kind of protected.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:14:45] Kept It there, right? And so like in the Gulf of Mexico too. And so we know for a fact that during the past 50 million years, as the climate has steadily cooled, we are at the tail end of a 50 million year cooling period now.
Stuart Turley [00:15:00] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:15:01] And hardly anybody even would imagine that. And don’t believe it when you tell it to them, even though it’s true. Right. During that 50 million year cooling period, the Caribbean has lost 50% of its coral species because it’s too cold for them.
Stuart Turley [00:15:14] Out of 50 million years.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:15:16] Over 50, during 50 million years, they have lost half their coral species and only have the ones left that are capable of dealing with the water temperature that it’s there now.
Stuart Turley [00:15:27] I consider that a personal problem after 50 million years, but good grief.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:15:34] Well, things happen slowly, sometimes.
Stuart Turley [00:15:36] Slow is Okay.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:15:38] Yes, exactly. Actually, things very seldom happen rapidly unless an asteroid strikes the earth. Right. And those we know for sure that the what we call the dinosaur extinction, but was in fact, much more than the dinosaurs that went extinct.
Stuart Turley [00:15:54] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:15:55] A huge percentage of living species went extinct then and like, for example, the marine dinosaurs, the plesiosaurs and the ichthyosaurs, they were the top predators in the sea and they were reptiles.
Stuart Turley [00:16:07] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:16:07] After they were exterminated by the asteroid impact but it’s because the asteroid goes right through the crust of the earth. And then I don’t know if you know, when you’re like when you’re in a hot tub or a pool, drops are hitting the water, the hits the water, and then this little blip comes up,.
Stuart Turley [00:16:23] Right
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:16:24] Well, that little blip went all the way into the stratosphere and it was made out of the Earth’s interior dust.
Stuart Turley [00:16:30] Wow.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:16:32] So that dust is up there where there’s no water, no rain to wash it out. It’s very light is very fine material. So it stays there for three or four years blocking out the sun and the plants all die.
Stuart Turley [00:16:44] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:16:44] That’s a recipe for extinction on a vast scale.
Stuart Turley [00:16:49] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:16:49] And interestingly, the birds survived many birds survived and they are actually dinosaurs. Most people realize that birds are dinosaurs, but that’s they were reptiles and they survived because they could fly and eat the dead things far, far away.
Stuart Turley [00:17:05] Oh, yeah.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:17:07] Walking animals all the dinosaurs are what we think of as dinosaurs at a very small range. Right. Probably the the predator aerial ones of them would probably start eating each other. In those circumstances, it was probably not a very nice time to be there.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:17:21] But anyways, big invisible catastrophes and threats and doom is all about showing examples right at the beginning just to show people sort of what I’m getting at. Start with the baobab trees of Africa and the headline is Africa’s oldest baobab trees are dying and the cause may be climate change, right?
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:17:46] So the first thing I do is point out to people never believe anything that says may, might or could as may or may not, might or might not, could or could not. Just totally speculative words have to have any basis in fact or truth or anything in order to say them.
Stuart Turley [00:18:06] Yeah. Your taxes may go up.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:18:07] Precisely or may not go up or it may just stay to where they are. So I showed that as an example. And then like how many people go and count the baobab trees in Central Africa every year? Well, one guy in Hungary counted some baobab trees and said, like, there must be a million baobab trees there all over southern Africa and they’re very common and they’re also in Madagascar and some in India.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:18:34] And he said that 13 of the oldest baobab trees had died in the past eight years right. And that was his evidence that the oldest baobab trees were dying. Well, what does he expect? The youngest ones to be dying as normal if the oldest ones die. Right. All trees die at some point.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:18:52] So he actually made up this thing about the baobab trees are dying because of climate change, and it’s the oldest ones that are dying. And it’s so sad.
Stuart Turley [00:19:00] Wow.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:19:00] Blah, blah. And I just it just sort of dissected this article to show here’s a small example of what they’re doing to you about a number of much larger issues and one of the world’s coral reefs. And the other one is the polar bears.
Stuart Turley [00:19:15] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:19:15] Polar bears. Like I put up, I just had a conference where I was the keynote speaker to 500 Californian farmers, not farmers. Almonds.
Stuart Turley [00:19:27] And and this is where you came in last night from?
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:19:30] Yeah. And they’re really, really knowledgeable people about the earth, farming and weather and. And everything and where was I going with that? I went to this conference.
Stuart Turley [00:19:41] I went to the conference. It was a bunch of nuts.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:19:44] And they were a bunch of fun, nuts people. Oh, it was about the polar bears. Yes. Polar bears? How many people? I said how many people in this audience of 500 know about the international treaty that was signed in 1973 by all polar nations, ending the unrestricted hunting of polar bears. One person out of 500 put their hand up.
Stuart Turley [00:20:08] Ending the.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:20:10] Unrestricted hunting of polar bears by 1973, wildlife biologist came to the governments of the polar countries and say there’s too many rich people with with the money to go up there and hire a guide, fly up there in a private plane, hire an Intuit guide, and go out and get some drugs for themselves.
Stuart Turley [00:20:28] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:20:28] Sometimes they get six or eight so we got to stop that. Unless you want this population to continue shrinking from the low level, it has gone. By 1973, between six and 10,000 was the estimate then. While the estimate today is between 30 and 50,000.
Stuart Turley [00:20:44] That is killed every year.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:20:45] No. Alive. Oh,.
Stuart Turley [00:20:47] Okay. Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:20:48] So it went from 6000 to 10000 live bears being hunted to extinction if they didn’t stop it.
Stuart Turley [00:20:55] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:20:55] That treaty that ended that and many of the nations like Norway, just banned polar bear hunting altogether. Right. Canada, with its fairly large Inuit population still living in the Arctic, decided to have it 2% of the total population but an Inuit guide had to be hired by the non Inuit person that was coming up to kill a bear.
Stuart Turley [00:21:16] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:21:17] And 2% is is very small and that’s why even with the 2% being taken, Canada has the most polar bears of any country. And it’s they have grown to between 30 and 60,000 live polar bears today.
Stuart Turley [00:21:31] Nice.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:21:32] They’re becoming a nuisance they’re raiding people’s houses and they’ve even killed people. And up until recently, it was illegal to defend yourself from a polar bear they were made into such a sacred icon because they were going extinct, apparently.
Stuart Turley [00:21:45] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:21:45] But they weren’t going extinct their population was growing beautifully. And the whole idea that some of the ice melts on the Arctic Ocean in the summer, when you get 24 hour, seven day straight months of sun, 24 hours a day.
Stuart Turley [00:21:59] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:22:00] So a big part of the of the outer part of the Arctic Ocean, the North Pole and a huge area around it remain frozen.
Stuart Turley [00:22:09] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:22:09] In the area that becomes unfrozen and if that didn’t happen, the sun couldn’t make the plankton grow in the Arctic. And. Right. The plankton in the sea are the basis for the krill and then the fish and then the seals.
Stuart Turley [00:22:21] And then the whales.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:22:22] And the whales. Yes. So the whales and the polar bears both depend on that plankton making a rich sea. And then. But they never show you the ice cover in the winter. After six months of no sun.
Stuart Turley [00:22:35] Right.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:22:36] There isn’t a square inch of the Antarctic of the Arctic Ocean that isn’t covered in ice. Not a square inch last year right now, when you go coming out of this winter, now it’s it’s in September when the ice is at its lowest and in March when the ice is at its highest in so intervals. But they they always show you the summer least ice never show you the winter maximum ice, which is still the complete Arctic Ocean. And then some ice below the Arctic Circle, Bering Sea below the Arctic Circle and Greenland and Newfoundland below the Arctic Circle is covered in ice.
Stuart Turley [00:23:12] You know, Patrick, I’ve got about 17 things more to talk to you about, and I would like to invite you back because we’re going to cut this one into two episodes for folks. And I want to have more fake invisible catastrophes and threats of doom. And I also want to get your take. I love that title.
Stuart Turley [00:23:32] I also want to get your take on how we can help take it to the next step, because education is the only way we’re going to get together and go down the road. And you know, our folks over there, the CO2 coalition and everything else, Gregory writes, love them and would love to help get the word out on those kind of things. So thank you so much for your time for the last 2 minutes here. What do you got? What’s coming around the corner next for you until I can get you on the show again?
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:24:02] Well, I’m getting quite a lot of podcasts and and interviews like yours right now. This has been a really good one for me. You’ve got a good sense of humor and you move it along really nicely, Stu. So I’ve been thinking this with you. Let’s make it an institution. I’ll come on with you any time when I’m available and I’m fairly sellable these days because I, you know, I. I have stopped being a consultant on a regular basis.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:24:29] I helped a lot of people through some such like the PVC people, for example, I worked with. Right. And I mean, they were just vilified as if they were making something poison that was going to kill the human race. Right. When they’re making one of the very best products in the world, which is so nontoxic. Right. And so versatile. Our credit cards are made with it.
Stuart Turley [00:24:50] Yeah. And anyway, I just I would love to hug you, but we don’t want to have too much man love going on on this on this podcast can.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:24:58] Count on me to come back with you whenever you’d like, when I’m available let’s just go back and forth and schedule any time you want. If you want to read Fake Invisible Catastrophes first, that’s great.
Stuart Turley [00:25:09] You bet.
Dr. Patrick Moore [00:25:09] We’ll get to you within a couple of days, I’m sure.
Stuart Turley [00:25:12] Sounds great. So with that, We Appreciate Everybody and we will see you next time.
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