Ok, I just love learning from my CEOs, Presidents, and industry thought leaders, and today is no exception. I saw some of Mike’s posts on LinkedIn and was very curious about his theories. On his LinkedIn profile, his title is An astrophysicist specializing in Quantum Chromodynamics and Quark plasma reactors. I knew that inviting Mike on the podcast would be very entertaining.
Solving the clean energy problem with every kind of power available is what we need to do. Let’s provide the lowest kWh to everyone on the planet with the lowest impact on the environment.
Our discussion was all around the galaxy and had some great twists and turns. In fact, if Elon Musk wants to come on the podcast and visit with Mike, we would even travel to his office and have the interview. Solving interplanetary propulsion just might get you a meeting with Elon.
Thank you, Mike, for stopping by the podcast. I had a blast and had to take some aspirin after the talk as we covered the problems of the universe.
Run of Show
00:00 – Intro
01:39 – What is your mission and what are you seeing out there?
03:16 – Vision in Fusion
05:14 – Quark Plasma Reactor
08:57 – Talking about Hydrogen Fuel
13:42 – Problems with Hydrogen
16:22 – How big or small can you make Quark Plasma Reactor?
18:58 – How Quark Plasma Reactor Generates Electricity
24:14 – The hardest part about the reactor will be the electricity needed to break the hydrogen and the Quarks
25:36 – Using Quark Plasma Reactor in Space
28:09 – Talks about People in the 60 Minutes Interview
29:38 – The Big Bang Theory
35:04 – How can people get a hold of Mike Pollock
Full Automated Transcript Below – We disavow any mistakes unless they make us smarter or better looking.
Stuart Turley [00:00:02] So. Hey, Everybody Welcome to the Energy Newsbeat Podcast. My name’s Stuart Turley Present CEO of the Sandstone Group. I got a really quirky one for you today this one is absolutely wonderful. To tie you up just a little bit for our listeners before I introduce our guest.
Stuart Turley [00:00:23] Energy poverty is about producing the lowest cost kilowatt per hour to everyone on the planet with the least amount of impact on the environment. We cannot get carbon net zero without natural gas, without nuclear. And eventually, when the technology is there for renewables, I don’t care what kind of power we use.
Stuart Turley [00:00:48] But that brings up our next guest we have Mike Pollack and I got to read his title here on his LinkedIn, absolutely cool. And it is astrophysicist who specializes in quantum chrome chroma dynamic. Chroma I’ll have him pronounce it, you know,.
Mike Pullock [00:01:10] Chrome Dynamics.
Stuart Turley [00:01:11] Thank you bless you and Quark plasma reactor. So welcome, Mike. How are you?
Mike Pullock [00:01:18] Well, thank you. I’m doing fine. I appreciate you having me on.
Stuart Turley [00:01:23] I’ll tell you that I’ve been taking a look at your staff, and I invited you on the podcast because of your LinkedIn posts. And what. What is what? How are you doing this or What is your mission and what are you seeing out there? It is a quirky reactor. A quark reactor. Is it a what is it?
Mike Pullock [00:01:51] Well, obviously we’ve been working on Fusion since 1956, and we and America alone has put in $36 billion into trying to figure out how it works.
Stuart Turley [00:02:06] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:02:09] It’s not working and there’s something else out there that’s powering the black holes, stars and planets for billions of years. And I think we’ve kind of covered the fact that fusion is not it. I know that this is against what 100% of the scientific community believes,.
Mike Pullock [00:02:34] But, you know, fusion is is nucleosynthesis, which is the creation of a heavier element with two lighter ones. And this reaction requires energy, you know, in every other aspect. But when it comes to fusion, we have made it, you know, create amazing amounts of energy. And it’s it’s all because of the Big Bang theory that we believe that.
Stuart Turley [00:03:14] So Vision in Fusion fusion is putting them together, visions pulling them apart, in essence.
Mike Pullock [00:03:25] Yes.
Stuart Turley [00:03:25] And so there’s always a big fear I think the fear is overstated. In fusion reactors, we’ve been running them in aircraft carriers and everything else for years. The only downside is the the spent waste. But with a fusion reactor, you’re going to get you get to use other waste, is that correct?
Mike Pullock [00:03:59] You mean a fusion reactor?
Stuart Turley [00:04:01] Right?
Mike Pullock [00:04:02] Yeah well. You use, you know, you use tritium with fusion and there’s some really big problems with with tritium that nobody really seems to focus on. First of all, it’s almost $100,000 a gram.
Stuart Turley [00:04:25] Wow!
Mike Pullock [00:04:26] It’s up to $100,000 a gram and it also is radioactively dangerous.
Stuart Turley [00:04:34] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:04:34] So, you know, you already have some big problems with trying to use that as a fuel.
Stuart Turley [00:04:42] Okay.
Mike Pullock [00:04:43] Recently, there was a a a leak at a nuclear fusion plant that leaked out 300,000 gallons of tritium laced water and the whole place went, you know, the town went crazy. And this because it’s dangerous it’s got a half life of 12 and a half years and it’s it really is not a viable fuel for fusion.
Stuart Turley [00:05:11] Well, that was almost a setup because as we look at the Quark Plasma Reactor and as I have my producer take a look at this, I’ll make sure they have your LinkedIn article here in the diagram shows a, Quark Plasma Reactor and you have the red arrow for our podcast listeners, it is a diagram and there’s actually hydrogen fuel at the core can you explain how all this works?
Mike Pullock [00:05:43] Yes. You know, from Fusion, you break up atoms to make energy.
Stuart Turley [00:05:51] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:05:51] And a Quark Plasma Reactor is matter, breaking up, broken up as much as it can be into cores.
Stuart Turley [00:06:01] Okay.
Mike Pullock [00:06:01] And when this happens, there is the catalyst for the energy becomes the space that we are living in, which is called zero point energy.
Stuart Turley [00:06:16] Okay.
Mike Pullock [00:06:17] The Big Bang Theory is not letting us understand what zero point energy is, because when the universe was created, it was created out of core gluon plasma, and that was all the universe was made of it did not include space itself, which is why we have dark matter and we don’t understand dark matter.
Mike Pullock [00:06:46] And what what becomes the the catalyst for this is the field of space, which is absolute zero it causes light to bend and it gives different forms of electromagnetic radiation, different speed limits, which one of my posts explains when the house the house gets blown up by the hydrogen bomb and the the house gets completely burned before it moves at all by the gamma, the gamma radiation and the X-ray radiation and then you see the visible light hit that house.
Mike Pullock [00:07:35] So you don’t you don’t see the visible light hit the house until it’s been fried and then it gets exploded by the force of the atmosphere. But it’s this field of space that we have forgotten about by making the Big Bang theory that created dark matter and is the catalyst for Quark Plasma.
Mike Pullock [00:08:01] If you ask any fusion scientists what the catalyst is when we turn our electricity off there, there’s no answer, no, no sign. I’ve never heard any fusion scientists explain what is going to take over when the electricity gets cut off.
Mike Pullock [00:08:20] And without a natural catalyst to take over, there will never be any energy from it. So that in other words, the Big Bang theory is what created us to believe in fusion and unfortunately, I’m saying that it’s wrong The Big Bang Theory.
Stuart Turley [00:08:43] Well, the only thing I knew about The Big Bang Theory is, is that TV show. Yeah, I was always one because, you know, I kind of liked it the first few years, but. But when you’re you’re talking about hydrogen fuel. Is it the hydrogen that we talk about now? Is it a different form of hydrogen fuel?
Mike Pullock [00:09:09] Well, it’s it’s playing. The advantage of a Quark Plasma Reactor is if you don’t have to go and use tritium, you can just use the cheap, plentiful hydrogen that you know is very cheap. And the the whole thing you’re trying to do is break it up into its cores.
Mike Pullock [00:09:30] You’re not trying to fuze anything you’re trying to break it up just like you break atoms up in a fusion reactor. And hydrogen is the most vulnerable element, you know, to space. So you could probably break any atom, any element up but when you have hydrogen, you already have an element that’s already very vulnerable.
Mike Pullock [00:09:57] And for instance, when lightning strikes, it creates gamma rays and scientists do not understand where these gamma rays come from. And that’s because it doesn’t understand dark matter and and the field of space. But what is happening is that lightning is breaking up the atoms in our atmosphere and creating gamma rays and when gamma rays are created, Quarks are being separated.
Mike Pullock [00:10:28] Now our atmosphere snuffs it out immediately because that and the Quarks immediately fuse with the atoms in our atmosphere. But the electricity will break that hydrogen off and will be placed in a vacuum where there are no atoms for it to reattach to and the field of space will go through the walls of the reactor and keep the quarks apart.
Stuart Turley [00:11:01] Okay. My head exploded, which is, you know, I’m over here kind of I’m trying to put all this together. Where are we on the technology portion of this? I got to interview Thomas Jam from Copenhagen Atomics.
Stuart Turley [00:11:22] And he’s got a thorium reactor that they’re able to start rolling out, I believe, this year and I’m trying to get him back on the show to see how they’re doing and they’re putting their ideas on really the small modular reactors base so they can build one a day. Now where are we on? Is this is there even one in pilot testing? How do we go from this great conversation to production? And I know that’s just even a wow, you know?
Mike Pullock [00:11:57] Yeah. Well, if they’re trying to fuse, thorium or whatever they are, I just have that one eternal question. What is going to be the catalyst for the energy?
Stuart Turley [00:12:14] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:12:15] It is the most important question in all of physics and it’s directly directly related to. No, it’s directly related to quantum gravity. We don’t we don’t understand quantum gravity and they’re all intermixed quantum gravity is directly related to this catalyst.
Stuart Turley [00:12:39] Okay. So if some company wanted to visit with you about this, you could share your opinions and everything else and try to get your own down the road. Is that a fair statement?
Mike Pullock [00:12:53] I would love to do that the problem is, is the education is completely hellbent on getting fusion to work, and it’s hard to convince anybody that it is not going to work. Even if it takes another 30 years. I mean, we’ve been trying for so long to do it and if you base everything on tests and observation it’s not good. It’s used a lot of money, a lot of time and unfortunately, our planet really needs us to figure it out and it’s just not happening.
Stuart Turley [00:13:37] I couldn’t agree more and in hydrogen. I love hydrogen there are some problems with hydrogen. You know, when you take a look at, you know, the Hindenburg. I’m kidding. But I mean, you take a look at it takes a lot of water, time to make hydrogen. And when you’re you know, they have all the different they have the rainbow effect as as it natural gas. Is it gray? Is it green? Is it blue? You know, and you and you try to sit back and I can understand that a lot easier than some of your conversation Mike.
Stuart Turley [00:14:17] You know, in you know, in the blue, it’s it’s like the natural gas version of it so that you can use natural gas and, you know, I think that that’s the cleanest. Yeah. Personal opinion then you recapture the heat and generate off of that. But there are some real issues with hydrogen I would love to see hydrogen fuel cells before I would see these, but that’s my opinion.
Mike Pullock [00:14:48] Yeah, the hydrogen is there’s something to it, you know, we have to look out in space and we see stars and black holes and planets live for billions of years with no help. And what we have to realize, you know, what is doing that? You know, of course, obviously everybody says it’s fusion because, you know, grab the only thing that the Big bang gave scientists to use was hydrogen and gravity.
Mike Pullock [00:15:25] The Quark, the Quark blue on plasma was created and it called hydrogen. So scientists, the only choice they had was to take the hydrogen and say, huh, well, I guess just gravity squeezed the hydrogen together and made all the energy, you know. The Big Bang theory is what forces them to think that that fusion is the answer.
Stuart Turley [00:15:53] You know, I’m sitting here, Mike, and every time I’m sorry, the Big Bang Theory, I just see Sheldon doing something stupid. Every time you say that, I have to pull myself back into the conversation My apologies if you see me rolling in the floor, you know, kind of thinking something stupid about Sheldon. The writers on the Big Bang Theory were pretty funny.
Mike Pullock [00:16:15] Yeah.
Stuart Turley [00:16:16] But anyway, okay, back let me regress back into this conversation here. How big or small can you make Quark Plasma Reactor? I mean, you.
Mike Pullock [00:16:27] Could make them. You could make them and power a whole city. Or you could make them power a house or a car.
Stuart Turley [00:16:37] No way.
Mike Pullock [00:16:38] Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You. All you need is a place with a vacuum to apply the hydro, the corks. And you know, I can’t wait to build the first one. Obviously, I can’t do it myself but what we’re going to see is the ability of this to create electricity, plug in electricity from these things.
Stuart Turley [00:17:09] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:17:10] And it’s the exact same concept as a as lightning that our earth creates right. It is the exact same concept the dark matter comes in as the catalyst to the reaction and that what that dark matter is coming in to hit the clouds but the clouds are not grounded.
Mike Pullock [00:17:38] So what does Basically I believe the space is an extremely pressurized, absolute zero field of sterile electron neutrinos. All right. And one day when our core manipulate space with its with its core. They come in from space to cause gravity, but they also come in and hit the clouds and they add they re form into electrons in the clouds, which is exactly how the plasma reactor will create electricity.
Stuart Turley [00:18:21] Nice,.
[00:18:21] The clouds build up so many extra electrons that they have to let release on and this explains why there’s lightning in volcanic ash clouds, because there’s no water in a volcanic ash clouds. And scientists do not understand why there’s lightning in volcanic ash clouds and not in regular water based clouds.
Stuart Turley [00:18:50] Let me ask a stupid question.
Mike Pullock [00:18:54] No stupid questions.
Stuart Turley [00:18:55] Oh, well, you haven’t heard mine yet yeah. So in natural gas or coal, we always heat, you know, water or you have those kinds of things to get steam, to get the electricity. Am I understanding this right? You don’t even have to have something like that in order for this thing to generate electricity.
Mike Pullock [00:19:14] No, you will not. It will. It will create electricity just like lightning. It’ll create heat also. And because. Yeah, it’ll create heat as well that we can use to create steam. But the main goal it will have is to create electricity, because that’s the holy grail, you know, to, to not have to. Oh yeah. Water, heat, water to steam turn a turbine. You know, it’ll directly do it.
Stuart Turley [00:19:49] If these reactors could be made much like the thorium reactors that Copenhagen Atomics makes, it’d be pretty cool to have them on in a very quality-controlled assembly line. You know, to make modular reactors or even use them in trucks, this could be an absolutely wonderful story. We need to get me, you and Elon to talk about this, because I think this would be a wonderful I’m going to tagging. He didn’t know.
Mike Pullock [00:20:23] Yeah, but, you know, I’ve tried believe me I’ve tried a I don’t get anything I don’t get anything from anybody.
Stuart Turley [00:20:34] So you hear the Rodney Dangerfield caught plasma in Physics. Okay, I like that. See, I’m the Rodney Dangerfield of the podcast world you know, we
Mike Pullock [00:20:46] Just sort of. Yeah. I would consider myself the Galileo of of science right now because I’m trying to tell the world that he was trying to tell the world that the Earth is not the center of the universe.
Stuart Turley [00:21:05] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:21:05] And I’m trying to tell the world that the universe cannot be created because every law in the book gets broken with this. You don’t know where the matter came from you don’t know why it expanded you don’t know where the energy came from.
Mike Pullock [00:21:22] I mean, you know edwin Hubble discovered the galaxies expanding they did not discover the universe expanding. And he nobody has told us but he did not he did not agree with the expanding universe.
Mike Pullock [00:21:44] You know, everybody says, well, Hubble discovered the expanding universe no, he did not. He discovered the expanding galaxies, and he was against the expanding universe because it broke all the laws. And Einstein once visited Hubble and tried to convince him, you know, you know, you discover the universe expands and he said, No, no, I didn’t. And he did not and Einstein did not convince him, and rightfully so. So unfortunately, that was I mean, I hate to say it, but assuming the expanding universe was the biggest scientific mistake ever made. I mean, if it really was.
Stuart Turley [00:22:32] If Elon was going to ask you a question, what would you say? Goes? Let’s say let’s pretend I’m Eli. I could do a better Putin imitation than I can. Elon. I have no clue how to even get to his level but let’s say Elon asks you, says Mike. What do you need?
Mike Pullock [00:22:55] Oh, this is easy, you know yeah, it’s easy because, you know, like, say, for instance, I tur in Europe, you know, it’s like billions and billions of dollars on a giant. You know, spread of buildings and and all this and they’re not building the reactor they’re just trying to make fusion work. You know?
Stuart Turley [00:23:25] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:23:26] And I’m ready to build the reactor you know, and I’ll answer your question all you need is a steel sphere. It doesn’t matter how big it is, It’s going to be hollow and it’s going to have very thick walls so right there, how much is that going to be? It’s it’s nothing.
Stuart Turley [00:23:48] The government does it. It’s going to have a huge, you know, you know, market. A lot of graft, a lot of. Sorry.
Mike Pullock [00:23:56] Yeah, you’re right but no matter how much they market up, it still is going to be insignificant compared to fusion it’ll be. And, you know, and you need hydrogen, which is I mean, it virtually costs nothing.
Mike Pullock [00:24:14] And the hardest part about the reactor will be the electricity needed to break the hydrogen and the Quarks and lightning does that with about 30,000 amps. So where, you know, fusion reactors are used in a million apps right now and probably more than that. And we don’t need anything like that to to produce some.
Mike Pullock [00:24:44] And also say, for instance, you we’re going to make a Quark Plasma Reactor for a house.
Stuart Turley [00:24:50] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:24:50] Well, I mean, a pound of it won’t even be a pound of hydrogen probably be more like a half a pound or a quarter of a pound when it gets broken up and space will not let the Quarks get back together. It is going to create energy for probably two years from.
Mike Pullock [00:25:15] I mean, what I’m explaining doesn’t sound logical, but then again, we got to look out at space and look at these stars and black holes and everything that have been living for billions of years without any help. You know, it’s like that that’s how magical this reaction is. You know.
Stuart Turley [00:25:36] So, yeah, in a space travel kind of thing, it once you get one of these, this makes more sense to try to travel to Mars using a Quark Plasma Reactor as opposed to anything that we’ve got now.
Mike Pullock [00:25:57] Yeah. I’ve thought a lot about the UFO, as we’ve obviously been seeing a lot and one of them, I swear, I pulled up next to the jet, the military and the guys were all freaking out. And I swear to God, this, this, this, this object or, I mean, this UFO. It sat there and it spun and I swear he was the, the, the aliens in that thing were saying, Look, here is how we move our spacecraft.
Stuart Turley [00:26:32] All right I.
Mike Pullock [00:26:34] If you if you see it.
Stuart Turley [00:26:37] Roy, if you could you could shoot that link I’d love to put it in the show notes.
Mike Pullock [00:26:42] So, yeah, well, there’s a whole 60 Minutes, you know, segment on it.
Stuart Turley [00:26:49] Okay, cool.
Mike Pullock [00:26:50] Yeah. If you look at 60 Minutes UFOs, they they show the guys, you know, four or five different people that are just they they came face to face with these things. And then and one of the comments was, you know, we’ve seen them every day for years. And the commentator was like, wait a second, every day for years? And he’s like, Yeah so they’re everywhere.
Mike Pullock [00:27:16] And they’re they’re using they are manipulating space with Quarks, not necessarily with a Quark Plasma Reactor, but. They have found some way to use Quarks, separated Quarks to manipulate space and create a force out of it.
Stuart Turley [00:27:37] Wow.
Mike Pullock [00:27:37] And yeah. Yeah, I guess.
Stuart Turley [00:27:39] And I actually know someone who I trust extremely well who I can’t remember the year that he was off of Florida was overtaken by an OR and it came out and, you know, his wingman. Click, click. Did you see that?
Mike Pullock [00:28:01] Yeah.
Stuart Turley [00:28:02] No, they didn’t really want to report it back then.
Mike Pullock [00:28:06] And no, they did and that’s that’s the point. And the people in the 60 Minutes interview, they were like, should we say anything? And it’s so they didn’t want to their their careers could be in jeopardy. It’s they right they didn’t want to look crazy.
Mike Pullock [00:28:25] But now it’s just. Irrefutable proof that they’re out there and and they’re they’re coming here from somewhere in our galaxy. You know, we got 400 billion solar systems in our galaxy and like I’ve said 100 times before, they they could easily have started life a million years before us. You know?
Stuart Turley [00:28:51] Well, you know, my personal beliefs are always that the was it was created and and so I do believe in God and I believe in Jesus. But there are a lot of things we don’t know flat out, I have no idea. And I’m always open to try to listen because God created doctors he created physicists. So, you know, it’s not a question of whether or not it how it comes around or how you get that knowledge. It’s an open for discussion instead of like a TV series sitcom.
Mike Pullock [00:29:32] Yeah. Well, I’d like to I’d like to talk about that point because when I say that The Big Bang Theory did not happen, I write. It makes me sound like an atheist automatically. And I know that turns off a lot of people, but that is not my case. At the time, I believe everything was already here when the Big Bang happened.
Mike Pullock [00:29:57] And I believe that the Big Bang was simply two objects colliding in an already existing universe. Our our universe essentially, too, turned itself into a a particle collider that we have here on Earth. And the two the two pieces had the mass of the observable galaxies and the pressure and friction and speed of this collision put the matter that was just a rock that she pick up on the on the road it turned it into Quark Plasma Shrapnel. You know, that’s why the the the galaxies are expanding because they’re shrapnel.
Mike Pullock [00:30:41] And as as with any other collision that you ever see, it’s not perfect you know, one one part goes the speed, one goes at speed. So if you assume that the whole universe is expanding, then it’s then it’s going to look like it’s accelerating.
Stuart Turley [00:31:00] Right.
Mike Pullock [00:31:01] Because some parts are going to be going faster than others. And my point, my point about about, you know. The Big Bang Theory and stuff and being an atheist, not being an atheist is that God could have just easily have created the universe a trillion years ago and decided 13.8 billion years ago to slam the two objects together. You know, how do we know what he really what we don’t we know.
Stuart Turley [00:31:39] I guess that is an absolute great answer and I do like that because we don’t know and when you talk about the asteroid and everything, the rock being shrapnel. That’d be like trying to go hunting with Dick Cheney as he shoots you. You know, you have to worry about where that shrapnel is coming from and who you go hunting with. I think that had nothing to do with that conversation, but it was funny. So, yeah.
Mike Pullock [00:32:08] Well, we have to we have to figure out why they’re expanding and if you create the universe, you don’t. You have no reason you don’t have any way to know. You don’t have any way to know how they got their energy. And that’s why they had the fusion as the reason that we have our energy but if you if you assume everything was already here following the first law of thermodynamics, then you will you have an answer for everything. So I.
Stuart Turley [00:32:42] That’s.
Mike Pullock [00:32:42] Not that’s why I just wish we didn’t when didn’t, you know, jump to conclusions? When Hubble found that the galaxy, the galaxies are expanding and all we really did, we jumped to conclusions. And now the Big Bang theory is, as you know, a complete fact. I mean, and there’s this theory about.
Stuart Turley [00:33:06] Why, why, why? You know, we’re just about got two more minutes here on our podcast, and I can’t begin to tell you how much I appreciate you stepping on here and really having a very what I thought, a fun conversation about energy that I had not thought of.
Stuart Turley [00:33:24] And so when I was reading your articles on LinkedIn, I was kind of like, All right, I’ve got to figure out a little bit more. And my wife calls me quarky all the time, and I was like, Hey, I get to talk to this guy about Quark Plasma Reactor and she’s like, You’re too quirky. You should not have any idea what they’re asking. So thank you so much for stopping by. Tell us how people can get a hold of you.
Mike Pullock [00:33:49] Well, look me up on LinkedIn. You can. I’d love to. I could go into detail on many aspects like. Like climate change and. Okay. You know, I can describe why it’s so hot and so cold. We have a lot of cold records happening. But yeah, LinkedIn is is basically where I go.
Stuart Turley [00:34:15] Sounds great. I’ll have all that in the show notes and thank you so much, Mike, for stopping by. And if Iran wants to get a hold of us, well, I’ll tell you what, let’s have a podcast with Ian.
Mike Pullock [00:34:26] Oh, I would do anything for that that would be great.
Stuart Turley [00:34:30] I believe I’d even travel to his office, so.
Mike Pullock [00:34:32] Yeah. Oh, I would do.
Stuart Turley [00:34:35] Yeah. In. Oh, yeah wouldn’t that be fun? All right. Yeah. Hey, go for that. Subscribe Like, pass this along to all your friends. Thank you to all of our wonderful listeners you can find all these on EnergyNewsBeat.com Podcasts are available on Apple they’re available on Spotify, Pod Bay. Listen, all the other ones that are out there. Thanks and we will see you next time.
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