In Episode 29 of The Energy Question, David Blackmon hosts energy analyst/writer David Ramsden Wood in a wide-ranging discussion about the global energy situation.

Much of the discussion centers on the need to deal with energy issues from a standpoint of facts and science rather than just acceding to the popular propaganda narrative pushed by western governments and the media.

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DBE Podcast The Energy Question Episode 25 – David Ramsden Wood

 

David Blackmon [00:00:09] Hey, welcome to The Energy Question with David Blackman. I’m your host, David Blackman. And my very special guest today is one of the finest energy advocates, writer, podcaster, all around man about town David Ramsden Wood . David, how do you do it?  

David Ramsden Wood [00:00:27] I do. Great. David, it’s good to see you again. I have I enjoy opening my Twitter feed and my daily newsletter from you on that, the energy absurdity of the day. And I mean, you’re obviously spot on your article today around the Google searches on gas stoves I thought it was totally into point.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:00:44] And it’s amazing how these like trusted sources Google is you know is 93% of global search goes through Google. And when they’re artificially elevating things that are factually just wrong, it just it questions the whole model.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:01:00] So I don’t know anyone that prefers electric stoves to gas stoves. I don’t know anyone that would buy a house that did not have a gas stove. So there’s going to be a secondary market for refurbishing old gas stoves that should exist for a very, very long time.  

David Blackmon [00:01:14] Yeah, I think I think you’re right about that. I think it’s almost inevitable now that the Biden administration is going to regulate them, you know, out of the market, new sales of them, and sooner or later they’ll be sending I guess they’ll be sending the FBI to come confiscate your old gas stoves here a few years in the future.  

David Blackmon [00:01:31] I mean, it’s really extraordinary that they’re focused on something that trivial, absolutely trivial, when they claim to have this climate emergency going on. Yeah, it is just mind boggling to me. Well, it is.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:01:43] As you say, as you’ve pointed out in many of the articles like this, this whole concept of an emergency like and again, there’s the parallels between climate and COVID have been so strong and something doesn’t last an emergency doesn’t last three years. An emergency is like a week.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:02:01] And then, you know, all across the globe, like I live in Denver, you live in Houston, people live in Canada. You’re like two degrees shifts, things maybe. And we have to adapt. And so maybe Phenix becomes a little hotter for the July, August timeframe.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:02:19] But but these things go in, in bursts. And as you know, hundreds of millions of years ago, North America was predominantly covered by an ocean. And so so like, we have changed the climate dramatically over the course of time, long before humans were influencing it. So just the lack of discussion, debates, critical thinking inside is really just so shocking in the politics.  

David Blackmon [00:02:44] And so much of it is the irresponsible way it’s covered in the media at least that’s my belief. I wonder what you think about that. I mean, it’s like every morning we’re just treated to a steady stream of propaganda with little, very little real information it’s based in fact and science.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:03:01] Oh, I mean, absolutely. And I think for those who tune in for the Chris Rock Netflix live comedy special, he kind of had a joke about Russia and Ukraine and he said the country is so divided over so many things that if if the Russians invaded the U.S., like half the country would be like, well, let’s hear what they have to say. This could be a little bit better of an option.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:03:22] And yeah, and then really and truly, like, we have major issues around education, health care, you know, and talking about what, an Advil at a hospital. Again, they charge like $90 for an ad or something, which is clearly insane.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:03:36] And yet we’re not talking about those real issues and on the energy policy front, specifically, you know, hybrids are more efficient, more cost-effective, use less minerals, and is a baby step towards a place we may want to go without rebuilding the entire grid. I would agree I would happily own a hybrid if I had an entity. I will never own a purely electric car because the range anxiety that it brings, the cost and the weight of it, there’s just so much that that is failing and it’s quite remarkable.  

David Blackmon [00:04:09] You know, you talk about the weight of it. It’s people don’t understand how heavy these cars are, man. They’re they’re like 20% heavier than a comparable gas powered car. Right. People don’t understand the enormous multitrillion-dollar cost that’s going to bring to just fixing infrastructure and reinforcing infrastructure to deal with these heavier vehicles. Right. I mean, they’re going to cost so much damage, you’re going to end up having to rebuild the entire transportation system.  

David Blackmon [00:04:40] Orchard and parking garages downtown oh, yeah. You know, you put all these electric cars in there. And then again, like people, we like to cherry pick Norway. I think the fleet, the car mix in Norway is 60% or something electric, but predominantly their power is hydro.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:04:58] And so like they’re saying they’re built around an entirely different structure than we are here. And when we talk about the wait, I wrote a post two years ago it was on the Chevy Bolt. And I know people had seen this, but they did about a $1.5 billion recall because to bold said spontaneously burst into flames in a garage.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:05:21] And notwithstanding the fact the Chevy Bolt is more expensive than the Ford Escape by $12,000 notwithstanding, without a supercharger, it takes 9 hours to gas this thing up versus, you know, and yet 250 miles of range.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:05:33] But the recommendation that they had for the bolt was the number one you should not charge your car overnight and number two, you should not park it in a garage. This was the was Chevy’s. You can Google it. They but legitimately made the regulators who isn’t driving during the day or charging during the day and driving at night. I get maybe Uber drivers or something, but it is just insane. And it’s so impractical that they’re pushing these technologies that make no sense and aren’t there yet.  

David Blackmon [00:06:03] Yeah, they aren’t there yet, and I’m not sure they’re ever going to be particularly, at least in a way that’s going to be scalable to fully displace gas-powered cars. I just it’s hard to see how that actually happens. And, you know, everybody I’ve talked to recently, this is is talk you ask them about where are we in this energy transition? Where would you say we’re in this energy transition?  

David Ramsden Wood [00:06:26] So, I mean, I would say and I’ve seen the rhetoric change a little bit, maybe not the rhetoric, but it seems that, you know, for years, the last five years, there’s been this talk of the energy transition, but no one’s had to experience what that actually means.  

David Blackmon [00:06:41] Yeah.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:06:42] And I think maybe starting with the polar vortex in Texas and subsequent to that, people are now experiencing what it means to have an unstable grid, unstable access to power and seeing the results of these policies.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:06:57] And so, you know, where are we in the energy transition? I think that reality is beginning to hit this transition in the face. And we’re seeing like we should talk a lot about Europe, but the fact that Germany didn’t rely on Russian gas and that the weather was relatively moderate and mild saved them a lot.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:07:16] But the fact that I mean and I think it was Steve Seymour Hersh wrote the article, and I think you and I have the same opinion the day that the Nord Stream pipeline was blown up, it was the Americans or American adjacent because the Russians have this little thing called a valve.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:07:33] Why would you do billions of dollars of damage to your economy when you can just close the valve and then open the valve? And, you know, as Seymour laid out in his, it is very well-sourced article. I thought that the Americans in put some remote devices in use a using cover of a naval exercise three months before they put them on the pipeline and then they remote detonated them three months later.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:07:58] To ensure that if Europe struggled and suffered through high gas prices this winter, they had no option to get Russian gas. And so it was. But nonetheless, Europe has been saved by mild, mild weather so far and, you know, we’ll see where we get next year.  

David Blackmon [00:08:15] Yeah, you know, they have been. Germany, though, has lost an awful lot of industry. Yeah. They’ve gotten through the winter and you know, haven’t had a lot of people die, which is really good. Nobody’s freezing in the dark but they’re losing an awful lot of their industrial infrastructure and their base. And I just feel like that’s got to have some pretty major economic consequences for them down the road, don’t you?  

David Ramsden Wood [00:08:41] Absolutely. I think I read an article BASF was closing one of their, you know, in sort of an aluminum and they’re this high energy intensity. And I think we forget that without industry, there are no jobs. And without jobs, people go bankrupt and suffer and lose houses. And so so no doubt.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:08:59] And I do find it I don’t know if I want to use the word ironic, but the fact that the Inflation Reduction Act, which actually creates massive commodity inflation in cobalt and copper and all these fake subsidies for cars that the people are buying, but then Europe is like, well, if the US is doing these subsidies, we need to do these subsidies. Yeah.  

David Blackmon [00:09:20] Yeah, we’re going to have a subsidy war.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:09:22] We had a generally down year in the stock market, whereas in 2020 and 2021, capital gains, I mean, California had a budget surplus because the tax the tech guys were getting so much money on capital gains.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:09:34] Well, that’s not going to happen in 2022 so as we project this debt ceiling that we’re heading, we’re already using emergency measures without the tax receipts of these capital gains. And quite honestly, a lot of people harvested losses.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:09:46] We have these budget issues that no one’s talking like, why are we at some point we have to, I think, have to deal with debt and we have to stop subsidizing and we have to start promoting efficiency. And it’s I don’t know how we got here. David.  

David Blackmon [00:10:00] Well, it’s it’s hard to explain in that. I mean, the last four years have been incredibly difficult to explain from any standpoint of large. Or rational thought, you know, starting with the COVID pandemic and coming up through today, it’s it is almost as if literally nothing our federal government has done is made any sense at all.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:10:21] Yeah.  

David Blackmon [00:10:22] In any real way. And you wrote that great story on your substack comparing the way we’re dealing with climate now to the way we dealt with COVID in 2020, that I think really everyone should read talk about. I mean, it’s a very long piece, but it’s really incredibly well done. And we talk about, you know, what you wrote about in there in terms of the emergency powers and, you know, all these important things that most people don’t ever even think about.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:10:47] Well, I mean, and I think the COVID, as we as we’ve come out and I think that that for me, the thing that will always resonate, Novak Djokovic, the greatest tennis player arguably of all time, one of the healthiest humans on the planet, is banned from entering the United States due to the lack of a vaccine that neither stops the spread nor in a case like Novak Djokovic, is really keeping him out of a hospital what’s keeping him out of the hospital is that he is the fittest man on the planet.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:11:22] And so so I think about that and the way that we didn’t debate these things they were all passed as emergency measures emergency powers. You know, we didn’t even we’re not even stopping the emergency pandemic response from the federal government until May three years. Ah, and so similar to where we started with gas stoves, etc.,.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:11:41] We’re using emergency powers or EPA powers or or the CDC is declaring a climate emergency, and therefore the CDC is going to have powers to influence and none of it’s being done above board.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:11:55] And and they’re circumventing the political process on on every action we’ve taken. So as we did with COVID, we’re seeing with climate. And it was you know, the election’s the last time I think I came on the podcast was April 22, and that was obviously before the midterm elections.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:12:12] And it’s remarkable how none of the issues that needed to be talked about got talked about and an abortion, which I had written about it in the beginning in 2022, that Roe v Wade was going to be one of the five single most important factors that were going to dictate the rate, the way the year went.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:12:31] And it was insane to me how much of an impact it had that people just go back to the polls and just vote who they voted and that we didn’t see this red wave. And in fact, it was such a single voter issue that that we’ve made no progress as a country. And so we have to wait till 2024, which how crazy is that.  

David Blackmon [00:12:49] It’s insane. It’s nuts. And then you see how the city of San Francisco, you talk about the emergency being rescinded in May. You see how the city of San Francisco is responding to that?  

David Ramsden Wood [00:12:59] No, I didn’t. I’ve seen some pieces out of San Francisco from Michael Shellenberger. But what was the latest there?  

David Blackmon [00:13:05] City government is about to pass an ordinance that’s going to make it a criminal act now punishable by fines and jail time if you don’t wear an appropriately restrictive mask into public buildings and 17 other kinds of buildings in the city of San Francisco.  

David Blackmon [00:13:22] Well, that’s that’s how that city is responding to the fact that that the state government, the federal government are finally acknowledging that the emergency is over by doubling down on insanity.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:13:32] Yeah. And again and so when we started at the top of the show about propaganda from the media, it is so clear that we’re not being presented critical thinking. Like I mean, the most recent example, of course, is I believe is the Department of Energy, which I’m not exactly sure why they’re weighing in, but apparently they are.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:13:50] And a former FBI had are acknowledging that the lab leak theory in Wuhan as the start of this is the most likely outcome. We knew in March of 2020 we even knew before that that three of the scientists had got sick. And the wife of one of the scientists that worked there died in November that year.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:14:07] Everyone was getting sick in January, like like that thing had been circulating and we had the evidence and like and yet you get banned and three years later everyone’s like, well, we kind of knew it was like the Twitter files. You see these Twitter files and you see, you know, politicians are saying, ban these guys, and it’s Russian disinformation. Here’s the lab.  

David Blackmon [00:14:25] Meetings with the FBI.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:14:27] Meetings with the FBI, and everyone reads them and the people who before said there was no cancel culture and the social media companies were fair. Well, of course, we knew that. And those of us who’ve been calling for how ridiculous this is and the fact that LinkedIn won’t even look at my appeal to allow me back on linkdn.  

David Blackmon [00:14:46] Oh, my God. Unbelievable.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:14:48] You know, for, for three years they’ve excluded the ability of major contributors to have conversations and that somehow that’s become the norm in our country is why I love this substack channels and.  

David Blackmon [00:15:01] Oh me too.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:15:02] And what the free press is doing with Barry Weiss and what Michael Shellenberger has been doing. And we have these. Independent voices that, you know, like him or hate him. Joe Rogan, is this Joe Rogan? He’s speaking his truth and he’s allowing listeners to decide what they want to write research, which I think is important.  

David Blackmon [00:15:20] It is important. And it’s what I used to think our country was based on was the free exchange of ideas. And, you know, you talk about getting banned. I was I was banned from Twitter for two weeks for not even saying anything, but simply retweeting an article that said, you know, there might be something here with this lab leak theory. And that was in like May of 2020.  

David Blackmon [00:15:43] Now it’s like everybody say, Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, that’s probably right. I mean, so okay, fine. But what about all that stuff back then that no one at MSNBC or CNN will well, own up to? It’s it’s just it’s really depressing.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:15:58] It is. It is. And so, you know, we talked about it just before we went live. I’ve struggled. I’ve reduced the amount of the volume I write, I think in part because there’s voices like yourself, there’s there the robber races of the world. There’s a ton of people who are now. Whereas in 2018, 2019, when I started the hot taking the day, there weren’t a lot of voices that were.  

David Blackmon [00:16:19] Almost none.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:16:20] And really speaking out on a lot of these issues and obviously they started in terms of like an industry self-diagnosis, which was we weren’t running particularly good ship. We were overproducing into a low commodity price environment and leveraging ourselves with debt and then not merging and consolidating to become more efficient in the CAC world. And I’ve been writing about that since 2018 and everyone thought I was crazy.  

David Blackmon [00:16:44] You are absolutely right about all of it.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:16:45] And lo and behold, now we’re actually running real businesses which make the Exxon’s and the Chevrons and the Oxes and many of these other companies attractive to own. And the real issue in the energy transition is these companies are running out of inventory. And there’s there are very large companies that are very well known that we know have two or three years of real inventory.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:17:08] And what happens when we don’t have oil wells to drill in the US when commodities don’t cross borders, soldiers as well. And so we need to start mending relationships with the Brazils, Iran’s Iraq Argentina’s, so that we can get more international development for these for this important resource.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:17:28] And only when these resources depleted to the point where prices are so high that these other technologies make sense, are we really going to transition? And that’s not a transition as called, like the natural evolution of technology.  

David Blackmon [00:17:40] And don’t you see, though, that in terms of our relationships with these other countries, it’s kind of going in the opposite direction? I mean, even with Saudi Arabia, it feels like there’s been tremendous damage done between to our relationship with that kingdom that’s been so important for so long years now. Well.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:17:58] Certainly, certainly when the bully, which the US has been and has had that role really since, you know, post-World War two and when our economy was growing and Europe was rebuilding, there was a great transition and now we’re seeing it in China. Like it or not, China is is the most populous country in the world. I mean, maybe save India, but those two economies are where it goes.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:18:21] And so we’re now being punished to the fact that we just took Russia’s reserve currency. I think we just like shut off access to $600 million and then wouldn’t allow them to pay their debts at the beginning of the war made the countries like so. So if the US doesn’t like me, I’m going to be punished. So how did how does that become a reserve currency for the world?  

David Ramsden Wood [00:18:43] And all of a sudden we’ve seen Saudi Arabia are Brazil, India, China, Russia, all start looking to this secondary currency or second currency that would compete with the US dollar. And if we can’t fund our debt with these low, cheap world reserve debts, I mean, we’re in we’re in real, real trouble.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:19:02] And yet trans issues are the ones that we get talked about and you talk about anything here disinformation, misogynist, racist, homophobic, white male, toxic supremacist. And every time I get called a name, I know I’m on to something because no one wants to debate the facts. They just want to call me names. So.  

David Blackmon [00:19:25] Yeah, it does seem to be, you know, the escape from logic for so many people. Right. It eliminates the need for you to reason or make an argument if you just call somebody a name and move on. And that’s a really frightening development over the last ten years in this society I think.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:19:45] Yeah. And I think, you know, on the energy transition, the key question that I always I posed to students, I teach a class. I oppose it in speeches that I give what is the actual impact of two degrees Fahrenheit. Now everyone likes to blame drought on climate change.  

David Blackmon [00:20:02] I like we never had droughts before. Right.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:20:04] And you know, the dirty thirties, the Dust Bowl, the. The farming practices. I use the Colorado River, which doesn’t make to make it to the Gulf of California anymore because we used to have 20 million people supported on this river. We now have 40 million people supported on this river.  

David Blackmon [00:20:21] Yeah At least.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:20:21] And California grows almonds, which are massively water intense. And for all the talk of climate change, you know, we still import watermelons in November from South America on diesel boats with diesel trucks with all of this.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:20:37] So for what? We invest 90 calories of energy to move the watermelon here. Just some kids can play soccer in November and eat watermelon slices that they eat half of. These are the conversations that if we were just being incremental ization or and mindful, let’s improve fuel efficiency standards by encouraging more hybrids.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:20:59] Let’s stop growing foods that take huge amounts of water. Let’s debate the merits of importing watermelons. And, you know, if Amazon is so fired up about this climate pledge arena and saving the world, how come I could have an Amazon driver at my house in 3 hours delivering a product I don’t need and have that truck come 15 times a week.  

David Blackmon [00:21:21] And three in one day on Saturday.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:21:23] We’re only going to deliver. When we happen to be in your area. You’ll get your package sometime in the next week based on us reducing our miles, 70% that. But that’s not even a conversation.  

David Blackmon [00:21:35] No, it’s not a conversation. And it is. And it’s because I think it doesn’t play to the people on an emotional enough level. Right. Well, the point I’ve always made about when people ask me what my view is on carbon and climate, my answer is always I, I don’t I’m kind of agnostic on all that. I obviously there’s some science out there that shows a warming effect.  

David Blackmon [00:21:57] But but really, I look at it on a solutions standpoint. Human race, it seems to me, has always been really good at mitigations on not just changing weather, but major weather events. And why not apply that to changing climate as well? You know, if the sea levels are going to rise, a foot will then build some levees.  

David Blackmon [00:22:18] My God, look at how great we are building levees and dams and dikes around the world. We’re incredibly smart species in terms of mitigating against those kinds of impacts. The thought that we can just wait, stop it by changing all these things and rebuilding the entire $180 trillion economy.  

David Blackmon [00:22:38] And, you know, all the crazy stuff you see talked about to me is just it’s a fantasy. And we’re not going to solve anything by living in a fantasy world. And that’s where I’m afraid that’s where we’re living right now.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:22:52] Well, and people forget Amsterdam is six feet below sea level. You know what that means.  

David Blackmon [00:22:56] Is 11 feet below sea level.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:22:57] So. So buildings are supposed to last 35 or 40 years. The sea levels going up a foot in the next 75. It would seem we could move a little inland like there are like these these are not like we keep rebuilding New Orleans after it gets hit by hurricanes. And I like New Orleans, but like, what are we doing? There’s no reason. And then, like, so a city gets destroyed, move it anyway or disperse.  

David Blackmon [00:23:27] They are.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:23:27] Dispersed. There’s so much there’s, there’s so much. And so how does one muddle through the fog without getting frustrated? And again, I use COVID as an example. I have some friends from my son’s hockey team that are doctors, and when they recount their experience in early 2020, obviously they were essential workers, So they needed to be in the hospitals and the hospitals were full.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:23:50] They’re full all the time because that’s how they’re built. But but we just were aware that they were full and they said they were so busy that they didn’t have any time to sit back and read any of the material on it.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:24:02] And so they were just in this sort of myopic like we had to solve for this, but they never took a step back and said, okay, so, so so why this wave if sea level is the primary concern and it’s going up a foot, what are some different things that we can do? Well, I don’t know what it is. It seems to me when a hurricane goes through Houston,.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:24:21] Trillions of gallons of fresh water that have been naturally cleansed from humidity, information and clouds and dropped in rain, it would seem to me if we could do a better job of capturing that water that goes back to the ocean and then put it on some of the old crude pipes and pump it into the north part of the Colorado River and use that to recharge. This source of water like that. Seems like it would be less than $150 trillion fix to just better capture fresh water. And I mean, sea levels.  

David Blackmon [00:24:54] Rise. We have this extraordinary example happening in California right now. They have a record snowpack and because they have refused to build surface reservoirs for 30 years now and that stupid state, it’s all going to flow into the ocean when virtually all of it.  

David Blackmon [00:25:08] I mean, why not try to capture some of that, ship it back to Colorado, to the headquarters of the Colorado River and let it flow down and supply 40 million people with fresh water but nobody wants to think about anything like that now because it’s not a good virtue.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:25:26] And at the root, this is all about money. And I haven’t I have no problem with the capitalism system’s capitalistic system. But we should just acknowledge that people are trying to create commercial solutions for which they benefit financially to solve the problem.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:25:41] And so rather than like the best, Xcel Energy has a 10.1% regulated rate of return on every capital project they spend. And so they get to charge consumers when they replace a coal plant and spend $1,000,000,000 as they’re planning to do, to shut down Comanche, which was supposed to last till 2070. And they’re going to shut it down early, along with a lot of the other coal plants in the state of Colorado.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:26:06] They’re charging consumers $1,000,000,000 to shut them down and then they’re building $7 billion worth of solar and transmission that they’re charging a 10% rate of return on that 7 billion. So their earnings go up $700 million a year and they have no risk that people aren’t going to use it. And then people get mad that their electricity bill is 20% higher today than it was a year ago.  

David Blackmon [00:26:29] Right.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:26:29] And then they blame fossil fuels for this year ends and so so I’ve taken a step back because it is like, you know, you can spin into these circles of frustration. And the way I’ve been managing it of late is is actually exercise and trying to focus on like things that you can control.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:26:48] And honestly, you know, all of us can influence our kids success in the future and we can all live a little healthier. Which can you imagine if Trump came out in 2020 and said, we’re going to shut the country down for 30 days because all of us are fat.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:27:00]  Shut down McDonald’s? And we know obesity is the leading contributor to hospitalizations and 78% of the cases and 95% of people who end up in hospitals have 4.0 co-morbidities. So we spend 30 days, we’re going to shut down McDonald’s. We’re to run cooking classes on TV. Everyone’s going to learn to cook healthy. We’re going to get fit. We’re going to lose £20. I’m down £30 since January 1st. My son is down £37 since January 1st.  

David Blackmon [00:27:27] So your son’s. Winning?  

David Ramsden Wood [00:27:28] My son is going to kick my economy because and amazingly, like he’s an athlete, but he plays golf. And so he just ate what he wanted and it didn’t his he didn’t really care about the body thing.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:27:42] But as soon as it became real that like your stamina improves, your health, improves, your mental focus improves, you can be less distracted. He’s been eating unbelievably, working out, down £37 an hour, what, 66 days since we started. Everyone can do it. Eat less, exercise more. That is the simple answer to happiness, I think.  

David Blackmon [00:28:05] I think you’re right. And I think we’re out of time.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:28:07] There you go. Well, I.  

David Blackmon [00:28:08] Like it, but I think we are. Man, this has been fantastic. We need to do this again soon.  

David Ramsden Wood [00:28:11] Sir David, it’s great to see you. I love your writing. I hope I’m sure everyone who listens to this follows it. But you just identify of the most ridiculous absurdities that exist. And folks, you just can’t make it up.  

David Blackmon [00:28:24] You can’t. You can’t. It’s a target-rich environment. David, thank you so much. And thanks to the Sandstone Group for hosting our podcast and our extraordinary producer, Eric Perel. I’m David Blackman signing off for now. We’ll see you next time.  

 

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